Sausage Sauce, Terrible Sales Pitches and Why We Started This Podcast

00:00Welcome to these two should another podcast. In today's episode, we find out Carl thinks avocado is a sauce. No, it didn't. I never said it was a sauce. It was just part of the choice of which sauce I was going to use. Sausage on source, sauce or no sauce. Sauce. Red or brown. Ooh. It depends. On what? What sausage it is. Actually, yeah. Oh, okay.

00:36Because it's a little bit more. So you double spicing?

00:39Yeah, yeah.

00:40Okay. Oh, here we go. Here we go. If it's just a plain sausage, cheapy sausage, or I don't know, maybe it's a it's a pork and apple sausage, even well, that that requires red sauce, that's right.

00:51Right, okay. Hot dog.

00:54That's that's not a question.

01:28So welcome to the new set. So this this has always been in the background anyway. I thought it would look a little bit shitty start on a set E. I thought we need to be a little bit more formal. But actually, when we had the launch event, the in-person launch event, one of the key bits of feedback was that we probably should be a little bit more relaxed. We probably should be on the SETI, which to be fair was something that you said all along anyway. I did I did, but the feedback sort of uh clarified that a little bit. They swung it for me. And it was good, it was a good event. Got some good positive feedback on it. Uh obviously, the first six episodes have gone out now. Check them out. They have, yes, it did officially launch a few days ago. Well, actually, we we now are recording this on the 1st of October, and they went out, six episodes went out yesterday. Yeah, so yeah, uh, and the feedback was really good. What we got. Shout out to you, Steph Muller. Um it was it's actually quite funny. So at the event where me and Paul stood at the front and uh with microphones, uh, I won't go into that about the whole fact that I don't like microphones. Um so stood at the front and we asked for feedback and he said, Yeah, I've I've got some feedback, and then and then literally got his phone out. And again, for for people who can't for people who can't see this, right? For people who listen on the audio podcast, imagine somebody sort of standing up with a big grin on the face, holding the mobile phone. So, of course, we we catch eye of that, and it's like, holy shit, you've got a whole list on your fucking phone. But to be fair, he made notes, it made notes on his phone, yeah. Um, but it was they were good, they were all really good. They were all really good. Uh yeah, really good feedback, uh, very constructive, a lot of positive as well. Yeah, that's good. So you get this first change, first of all. This is the new format. Uh, we've altered the camera angles and done some good stuff with that. Uh, if you're listening to this on the audio podcast, clearly you can't take advantage of that. So nip over to YouTube, go and go and watch it. I wouldn't have thought of that. I'm trying to visualize it in my head. You don't need to imagine it. I know I'm here.

03:30Oh no, there you go. Having said that, you are sat here, you're not where the camera is, so you can't see yourself. Technically, I can't. Actually, you could just look at the screen. Just look at the screen. Oh, you know, anyway. So, yeah, so so yeah, launch event. It's great to have people supporting us. Absolutely. Um, and we also launched as well at the same time the the new website, these2podcasts.com. So please go and check that out. And what you'll find there, as well as the bloopers and the fact that you can play the episodes from there without having to go into podcast platforms and stuff, what you'll also find there is a feedback form. And I'm not just talking, well, we don't want it just to be feedback of we think you're great, we think you're shit, right? Yeah, what we're actually looking for is people to give us shit to talk about, to argue about. And it's funny you should say that because we've had one. We've had one. We've had one from K. K Sother. Let me have a look. Have a look. I'm just having a look. Hang on. The feedback form is there, but you can also message us as well. Throw it on YouTube, throw it on, you know, any any comments. Yeah, we'll we'll always comment. In fact, I had a bit of a laugh about that because um because obviously there's two of us running this this this podcast. So I went in and commented to uh some of the comments that were on some of the YouTube videos last night, and it's like I I felt compelled to say, Oh yeah, I and then I put in brackets, Carl. Because that's you. Because that's me. Yeah. Because obviously you might have your own thoughts. You could jump in and you could. I definitely will have my own thoughts. There's no two ways about having. Yeah, we're not gonna join twins that will separate a birth. I have, I found it. So I am looking at it here, and uh is it K? It is K. It is so yes, you submitted. How did both of you meet? And why did you both decide to start this podcast? And she's fine to be mentioned. She also ticked the box that says I'm fine to be mentioned. Oh, that's alright then, because I've already mentioned GDPR and all that. Uh well, you know, um, to be fair, I'd read the message anyway. Alright, so so how do we both meet? Definitely wasn't on Tinder. It wasn't. Um, I'd I had a swipe left. Or is it swipe right? I don't know. I've no idea, mate. Swipe. Oh, fuck off. I've never been on it, but I know. No, right, yeah. Okay, so again, how did you both meet? And uh, why did you both decide to do the podcast? So, God, going back a fair number of years now, about five years. Yeah, in fact, probably going back about six years, maybe, yeah. We were both on the same sort of coaching course that we were with. Uh yeah, yeah. So this this 12-week coaching accreditation course. Um, and then I remember you in one of the breakout rooms on Zoom at the end. Was it was a good was it that I was memorable, was I? You were memorable. Oh, right, okay. We'll leave we'll leave it at memorable. We'll leave it at memorable, yeah. Right. Um, and then not long after that, I launched um a new sort of like coaching tech type program, and I was looking for a couple of people to bring in as pro bono clients where I was basically gonna push people through for free. So I put it out there on socials. I'm looking for people, sort of interviewed people and did a bit of a selection process, and Paul was one of the guys, and I thought, oh, I can't actually I remember Paul from being on this coaching thing the same time as me. Yeah, uh, and then you went through that and then you became a paid client, and then you became a hanger-onner and a clingon, and um, and then you're no longer a client and you you you're just a mate, and five years on, you know, we're still chatting shit and taking a piss out of each other, which which I think works quite well. Hence why we're on camera on the podcast, I suppose. So, yeah, so from the podcast perspective, this is about two things, you know. We've we've got sort of stressful jobs, you know. I'm I'm business owner, I've got shit going on at home. Not bad shit, but you know what I mean. I think stuff going on, life is busy, right? Um, and I just wanted a way to just relax and just chat shit. And and our conversations were actually quite funny. Now, I must admit, I did wonder whether our conversations were just funny to us. Yeah.

07:44But I mean the launch has told us that actually our conversations are quite funny. Yeah, um, people might debate that, and you and you're more than welcome in the comments whether you think they were funny or not. Yeah, give a shit in the comments. I'm more than happy to have shit. I mean, I was a doorman for like nearly 10 years. I can I can handle shit, so bring it on. You were a doorman handling shit. That's quite sharp for you. Okay, what sort of doorman was you? Anyway, go on, carry on. It was the toilet door. Yeah, carry on. Um, I forgot where it was going. You maybe lose it now because you've thrown me off coming out with somewhere. Um, so yeah, really, this is just about us having a laugh, having some time out from doing busy life shit, busy business shit, and having a bit of a laugh and some fun. And what we hope is, or what I hope anyway, from this podcast is that you guys can do the same. It's like, you know, listen listen to an episode or part of an episode during your lunch hour, you know, just have that time where you can unplug from busy, stressful shit, or looking at the news and thinking, fucking hell, that's depressing. You know, you listen to this for half an hour and you you you're gonna laugh, right? You're gonna either laugh at us for being dickheads or you're gonna laugh at us for being dickheads, right? Pretty much. Um, so so yeah, that's that's the idea behind it, really. Yeah, so I pretty much go with the the fact that yeah, you threw me a sort of a a bit of a lifeline with the uh tech side of stuff because again, I'm I'm a coach as well, and uh didn't I didn't really bother with my coaching thing after after doing the course really uh because the internet and tech side of it, although I can do things with tech a little bit, I didn't know how to sort of do a business. So when I got the chance to jump on uh D pro bono with yourself, I thought it'd be daft not to try it anyway, and then it's gone on from there. So, yeah, no, friendships have grown and and stuff like that. Uh grown grown. Yeah, that's right, isn't it? Like mold. Or like a little fresh flower flowers grow and bl blossom. Okay, you know what I mean? Yeah, uh why you picking on what I say? I'm not. Well you are. I'm sorry, you just I was nice and quiet when you were talking. You were shut up. I shut up. Right. That's a first. So yeah, um why I want to do the podcast, or why I decided to to join the podcast. Pretty much the same, it's a way of switching off. Uh I I do coach people, we do get a lot of different sorts of people with coaching and stuff. I also work for the NHS, which is another thing, so it's it can get sort of high stress, high intensity jobs and stuff. So this is a way to just sit back, relax, get a few things off your chest if you want to, uh, just talk, have a bit of a laugh with with one of your mates, and um a bit of what I think generally men should talk more, and this is what we can do, but we're doing it in a fun way where you can just switch off from the world, and that's why I I want to be here, you know. I mean, and if we if we can make and put a smile on people's faces whilst they're struggling in the day as well, if they can just switch on for 25 minutes and have a little smile at the end of it. Yeah, I like the point you made there about the you know, it's uh not enough men do talk. Sometimes just having that is a bit of escape is um yeah what they need. Yeah, but I would also hope really that you know if two if two knobeds can can sit on a podcast. No, but I'm talking about us now. Us as two knobeds, yeah, yeah. And bear in mind, right, bear bear in mind, you know, some of the backstory. Um I'm sort of like quite a strong introvert, you know. I yeah, I I always say about five years ago, but it's not because time goes on, it's about six years ago now. I I would rarely be in um family photos, I would I wasn't on socials, I was just I just wanted to hide from the world, right? Not that I had any deep trauma behind that, I just I just wasn't the sort of person that was out there. I could host meetings at work in a corporate environment, but that's almost when I was wearing a mask. You know, when it came to my home life, that was it. I was silent and visible.

12:00Yeah.

12:00Um, whereas, you know, now we've got a podcast, now we're on videos all over the place, and it it just it just pushes your boundaries and it opens things up. And I think by us doing this, who are just two normal knob eds, yeah um hopefully it just makes other people push their boundaries a little bit, talk a little bit, or or get visible. And the and the beauty of it for me as well is the fact that if there is a problem, we can actually put it on camera and we can actually talk about it to a certain extent. Do you know what I mean? Uh if we do have an issue. Well, I've got a nasty rash. I don't need to see that. Oh, yeah. You put it away, Cal. You know, that's all I'm gonna say on that one. I haven't got it out, yeah.

12:40Oh race, it's not how big's that's what I'm talking about.

12:44What do you want about it? Uh but yeah, no, I mean that's it. That that's me, that's why I do it, you know. Uh this was Paul talking, by the way. Just in case you didn't know. See I this is what I do. I say random stuff. I sometimes I I I don't like to process things so much anymore. I just like to talk. I've got it out me out. I've noticed that with get it out of my head. You know what I mean? It's like, what's the point in building up shit in your head? Just just let it out, guys. That's all. Just let it out. I I've noticed that with the with, you know, when I ask you questions, it's like I'll ask you a question, and and I'm thinking, right, there's gonna be some deep thought on this. And it's like within like half a second, there's the answer. It's like, right, okay, do you not do not what I think about that answer? You yeah, but you overthink it. I don't overthink it. Okay, let's go with it then. Let's go with it. I've got a couple of questions for you then. Quick fire questions. Quick fire. Quick fire sessions. But are these gonna be difficult? Are you gonna leave them they're they're sort of like ambiguous, where it's like it could be taken one way or another? Well, it might do, yeah. But it's all it's uh all at once is a quick fired answer. Right, okay. So what's the time limit? How how how long have I got? Within ten seconds, I want an answer. Ten seconds. Yeah. Within ten seconds. Within ten seconds. So straight it should be it should be a straight answer. Okay. Quick fire questions. I get ya, I get ya. Just just go. Okay. Sausage on source, sauce or no sauce? Sauce. Red or brown. Ooh. It depends. On what sausage it is. Uh actually, yeah. Oh, okay. If it's if it's uh if it's a a spicy type sausage or a Cumberlandy type sausage, I'd probably go with brown sauce. Oh, okay. Because it's a little bit more. So you're double spicing?

14:28Yeah, yeah.

14:29Okay. Oh, here we go. Here we go. Um if it's just a plain sausage, a cheapy sausage, or I don't know, maybe it's a it's a pork and apple sausage even. Well that that requires red sauce, that's right. Right, okay. Hot dog. That's that's not a question, that's just a hot dog. Hot sauce. Oh right. Uh red. Oh god, you wouldn't put what? Who who would put anything other than bustard and and red sauce on a hot dog? That's what I'm saying. Okay. Chicken burger. Mayo. Okay. No other sauces, just mayo? I have been known to put a little bit of ketchup as well, sometimes, but ketchup on the base, then the chicken burger, and then um mayonnaise on the top. Not mixed. No uh no, not with chicken burger. Bacon, yes. I can mix with bacon. Oh, oh, that was my next one, bacon. Yeah, bacon. I it's it's whatever goes on that particular day. Um, it could be brown sauce, it could be red sauce, it could be mayo, it could be avocado with a bit of mayo, it could be uh mayo and a little bit of ketchup. I just gotta see how it feels. Avocado's not a sauce. No, I know, but we're talking sauces though. I know, but if I put avocado, bacon and avocado with with with have you never had bacon and avocado. I don't like avocados. I don't fucking like anything. I do like bacon. Okay, so there's how was that? That wasn't bad actually. I I've actually impressed myself. There you go. But they were easy questions. Every question's easy. No, it's not. Well it is. It is. Give me a hard question then. A hard question. Yeah. And I'll show you how easy it is to answer. Well no, you just don't put thought into it and then you can answer it. Okay, what was what was the best day of your life that when you look back now you realise it wasn't the best day of your life and you've had a better one since? What was the what was the best day of my life, which I thought was the best day of my life, but it wasn't because you've had a better one since. Right, okay. So that's that's quite an easy question for me to answer, to be honest. How is that easy? Because I had a problem. It was even hard for me to get that question. No, but I had an issue, didn't I? So the best one of the best days of my life was when I put a bet on and I won.

16:48Oh, okay.

16:49Yeah. But it was the worst day because it bec it became a problem. So I've had better days since because I've sorted that problem out. So that was quite an easy question for someone like myself to answer. See, I thought that would have been a struggle. If you asked me that question, I'd be like, I don't fucking know. That's because you're overthinking that. I'd have to think about it. I'd I'd have to think. And that's a problem. Why is that a problem? Because you're thinking when you answer a question is a problem. If it's when it's just a general question like that, you don't need to break it down too much. Who gets to decide when it's a general question and whether it's a question that requires thought? So a question when with thought is like the wife turning around and saying, Shall we move house? That requires no thought. Well it does, depending on the circumstances. You know what I mean? So that that but general questions like what's your best day? Okay, alright. You know, give me right. Give me a question that you think is simple. Yeah. That you knowing me, know that it's gonna send me into a flurry of fucking processing. Yeah, okay. Explain to me why. You use the word explain, that's that's fucked me over already. There you go. So just for the ones that are not looking or being able to watch Carl's faces just hit the floor. It's like explain isn't a tell me if. Explain. Okay, tell me why. Ah, oh yeah, I should have a laptop in my life.

18:33See, there's too much silence already. Only you know whether you should have a laptop in your life. It's not for me to tell you. No, but so I'm asking a tech guy. What's the benefits of me having this? Well, what do you want to achieve? And how much are you overthinking that? I'm so just tell me the benefits of a lot of.

18:54You you must have heard, right? I'm gonna sidetrack, but you must have heard of the whole sell me this pen, whole sales exercise. Yeah, you've heard of the sell me this pen, and people go into the oh, it writes like this, it does this, it does that. The correct answer to that is actually really finding out from the person, well, what do they actually need? Do they even need a fucking pen before you try and sell it to them? Yeah, so you're saying, in effect, convince me that I need a laptop. Yeah, but what you just said about the pen is the correct way of saying it, right? And that and that's true, but that's not what the person who's asked the question wants you to say, they want you to sell them the pen. So sell me a laptop. I haven't got a laptop to sell you. You now have in mind. See, this is the problem, you see. So defensive because the question is fine, you're finding it so hard. I can't get past I can't get past the fact ask me the question and I'll tell I'll I'll tell you why. No, because you're just gonna say no no no. I'm not gonna go na na na. I'm gonna tell you why.

19:59Sell me a Fitbit. A Fitbit? A Fitbit. The Fitbit pretty much does what your Apple Watch does. How do you know I've got an Apple Watch? Because I can see it on your wrist. That's fucking cheating. You know what I mean? So, have you got an Apple Watch? I've got you got uh Apple devices, Samsung devices or anything like that. Samsung? Have you got any of them devices? No. Have you got Apple Watches? You have got an Apple Watch because you don't need a Fitbit then. Okay. So you didn't do a very good job of fucking selling me, you're gonna get fuck all commission at the end of the month. That's okay. But what's the point in selling somebody something they don't need? Hang on a minute, you've just wrapped up the whole point I was fucking saying and and delivered it back to me like it's your fucking present.

20:37But I how how quick did I wrap it up?

20:43You know that situation like when when when like somebody brings something to you that they can't untighten. A jar? Yeah, and they've gone and then and then you literally you try and you can't either, and then you pass it back to them, and they just go and open it up and they and then you turn around and go, I loosen that. I loosened that off for you. Yeah, I I just loosened that answer off for you. Oh, okay. So the only reason you could answer that so quickly is because I loosened it off because I'd I'd processed it for you. Right. Okay. So you're not gonna tell me why I would benefit from a laptop then? Uh I don't think you would. Okay, fair enough. That was hard work, wasn't it? You know what I mean? Do you want a laptop? I've got one now, but I was just generally asking a tech guy why I should have a laptop because I was expecting something better than what you come up with to be. No, no, to be fair. To be fair, putting my serious head on now, I would always say, Well, I don't know whether you do need a laptop or not. It depends what you want to do. Have you got a phone, have you got an iPad, have you got a TV? You know, what do you want to do? You want it to browse, have you got a Chromebook? Have you got this? Have you got that? Is Chromebook not a laptop? No, it's a Chromebook. So this is the problem you see with society and the world this way. The these days.

21:55I genuinely think societal problems. Yeah, because we're labeling things that are all the same. Have you got a vacuum cleaner?

22:04I've got a Hoover.

22:05No, you haven't. I've got a Hoover. Have you? You've got a Hoover. Yeah. Definitely got a Hoover. Yeah. Do you use sticky tape? Do we use Dutchape? Or do you use cellar tape? In general. It depends what what what needs tape and up. But which do you use? Do you call it sticky tape or cellar tape? Cellar tape. Is it cellar tape?

22:24Yeah.

22:25Actually, you bought the brand cellotape. Yeah. And you've got a brand Hoover. Actually, I did have. But you haven't now. But I use a Hoover. But now, yeah, I don't know what it is now. It's a vacuum. It's an it's an Amazon thing. It's a vacuum. It's not a Hoover. It's a cordless thing. It's a vacuum. Well, that's okay. Okay. What's that got to do with anything? Nothing because it it's just the fact it's the fact that you said that I d I don't know. You said a Chromebook is not a laptop. A Chromebook is the brand of a laptop of a type of laptop. There you go then. So it's a laptop. Sort of. It's a laptop. Like a MacBook. That's not really a laptop. A MacBook's not a laptop? Well, it sort of is, but it's So what's a laptop then?

23:17Traditionally, laptops really were were Windows, Windows machines. They weren't and they had a window machine. Why is it called a laptop? Well, because it you you wouldn't have it on your lap. So you could not do that with a MacBook then? Well yeah, but you could do that with a fucking carrot. You don't call a carrot a laptop just because you can put it on your fucking lap. We've got a top. That's a carrot top. Dickhead. But yeah, generally, anyway, we label things too easy instead of just get on with life. It's a good point, actually. We do. But we've got to analyze it. If someone came over to you and said, Carl, fix this laptop for me. And you went, Oh, can't fix that. It's a MacBook. No, I wouldn't. You've asked for the laptop. No, if someone said, Can you fix this laptop for me? I'd say, first of all, fuck off. No, we don't fix laptops. I mean, without being funny, like me dad. He calls everything. Any tablet's an iPad to him. Any tablet? Any tablet. If it's a if it's a Samsung tablet. It's a laptop. It's an iPad. It's a laptop or an iPad. It's an iPad. Yeah, get me iPad, he says. And it's like, that's not an iPad. Yeah, to be fair, he has got one now. Because um he's gone into the Apple uh Apple ecosystem. So he has he has actually got one. But everything other other brands are available as well. Of course, yeah. Um not good. And we've meant we've mentioned other brands, anyway. We have. Yeah. But I'm saying, what I'm saying is instead of like people would say, just pass me my tablet.

24:44Yeah.

24:45You know what I mean? So if you actually went over with them with some paracetamol, is that is that acceptable? Because we call them tablets. I don't know, you're forcing them. But that's what I'm saying. So because of that thing. So that's when people say, Oh, pass me my eye. We we do generalise a lot. Yeah. I mean, like the remote, you know your TV remote, sky remote or whatever. Yeah. It's the box. It's the box. Box. The zapper. No, uh if if like if if it's next next to the wife and I and I want to say, oh, just just just pass me the box. Well, to be fair, I'd just say throw me the remote. Um, but people people have caught people call it a clicker. People call it a zapper. It's a clicker. Pastor clicker. Clicker? Yeah. It doesn't click. I know. They used to though, didn't they? I don't know. Did they? Yeah, I think so. The buttons used to click. Yeah, weren't they on a wire? Didn't they used to be on a wire? By the way, and trying to show people. Yeah, they were remote, the old-fashioned remote. Yeah, I don't know. We we had one on a wire. On a VHS. It might have actually been a Betamax video recorder. With a wire. With a wire. A remote with a wire. Yeah. So you got a wire. You got a wire on on I swear down, it must have been one and a half metres. So you were one and a half metres. It's very precise, that ball. Yeah, about one and a half metres, right? So it wouldn't even fit to the couch. Oh right. So you still had to stand up near it. You know what a couch is. You don't call it something else, do you? Sofa. Right, okay. SETI, whatever. Yeah, yeah. Just putting it out there for our American friends or whatever. You might not know what a couch is. You know what I mean? Not everyone calls it a couch. How many do certain differences? Like tap, forset, sidewalk, path. A what? A force set?

26:40What's a force set?

26:41Fuck off. You are you are pretending now, right? No. It's like you get the baby outwards. Oh no, they're forceps.

26:55I've just now got visions of you trying to position a pregnant person onto taps in a battery and to try and leave for the baby. You did oh come on now. We call it a tap. Yeah. In America they're called faucets. Why don't they just call it tap? Because they don't, they've got their own colloquialism language. Sidewalk, path, interstate, motorway. I get it. No, I do get it. Everyone's different. I've never heard that word before to refer, but. I've I've never really heard of anyone trying to use taps to get babies out either. Well, you know. I didn't correct myself, I realised you were called forceps. Forceps? You're even second guessing now, aren't you? Yeah, I don't know, to be honest. I've never given birth.

27:46So right, anyway, back to my quick fire questions for you. Go on. Chocolate, what brand?

27:57I see you overthinking.

28:00You're going in a shop. How long does it take you to grab a chocolate bar in a shop? Quite a while. Why? Because they all taste different. You have to work out what mood I'm in.

28:11So you don't go with the intention of saying buying a particular brand of chocolate bar.

28:16I might be in a bit of a funky mood and want a dark chocolate bounty. Did they even do them anymore? Yeah. I think they do the red packets. Yeah, no, those red ones. Maybe not. I don't know. I haven't seen them for a while. Um I I I might I might be in a manly mood and want a Yorkie. Remember that? Yorky, not for women. Yeah, it used to say for men on the man. Could you imagine that now? I mean, surely you've got to be in the mood for for I mean, I might fancy a Kinder. Sometimes I fancy the the mix of the two chocolates. I might fancy the Round Tree's chocolate. I might fancy Capri's, which is more milky. I might fancy Galaxy. I'll tell you what's really fucking nice. Tell you what's really nice. And and we're not advertising, but the biscoff.

29:07As soon as it's not fucking beige, I don't like it. No, I I'm not a big fan of biscoffs. Oh, I love it. No. Do you do cheesecake as well? Oh, do I do cheesecake? I probably would do cheesecake, to be fair. We we used to um be at the seed of American pie, wasn't it? I loved cheesecake. Not not cheapy shit of cheesecake, though. It's gotta be like really thick, stodgy, proper cheesecake. Don't like the base. Well, scrape scrape the soft cheese stuff off. Well, don't mean it'll just have a soft cheese to turn a soft cheese, then might I? What's the point? But it's so much more than that. I don't like the base of the cheesecakes, so I don't eat cheesecake. Can you remember Mallet's Mallet? Yeah, yeah, Timmy Timmy Timmy Mallet Mallet Association. Yeah, wacko, whackle, is it whackle?

30:01No.

30:03Did it wacko? Did he go whack a wacko? Is that not him?

30:16I really don't think so. Um I thought he did with his voice. I think the pro I think the program was called Wackaday. Oh I might be wanted this, yeah. But I don't think, I mean, just for people who were who were listening, not watching, I mean, Paul has just well, he's he's just big back explicit with hand actions and and boss doubting whack-ko. Wacko, wacko, wacko. Yeah, whackaday, that's what it was, yeah. Wack a day, yeah. It was a wide away club. That's where it started, but then he had his own show, didn't he? Yeah. But word association. Why don't we have a quick fire without processing? Word association game. Stop the word, and it's got to be a link word, and then a link word, and then link word and link word. So like window pain. You you are a pain, yeah. But yeah. So have I got that right? Window frame. Yeah, or it could be you could I could have said Microsoft, because that's Windows, it's linked, it's in it's in what some way linked. Right, right. So it could be it could go any fucking way. This has got to go any way. It could go anyway until you pause more than about three seconds, and then then Timmy Mallet would would have bonked you on the head. Loud with this with the whack on you. You're thinking of whack-a-mole. Whack-a-mole, yeah. Okay, go on. Um right, okay. This would be interesting, and um it's gotta be it's gotta be fit for kids, this as well, so you can't you can't go all dirty with it. So that's you. Mine's gotta be fit for kids anyway. Because you know, Timmy Mallet, Timmy Mallet was, you know, there might have been a little bit of annuendo there. Oh banana.

32:01But anyway, go on. That that was it. Oh, you started bananas. Right, okay, let's start again this time.

32:08No banana.

32:10That doesn't sound like you've started the game. Okay, right. I'll start. I'm about to start the game. Right, okay. Hacksaw. Jim Duggan.

32:26I think I would. Well, multiple. You can't just say random shit. How is that linked? Axaw Jim Duggan was a wrestler. Was he? Yeah. Right, okay. We need to we need to we need we need to add a few more rules into this now. Right. Right? A few more rules. Okay. So names. It's you can have people's names, but it has to be something that not only you relate to that word, but I would I know what you know. It's not my fault that you don't watch wrestling. Okay, well you know I don't watch wrestling. Hang on, that's turning out its head. You know I don't watch wrestling. So you know that you could just say fucking anything. You could say ha ha big toe Joe. And I wouldn't know whether that's fucking right or not, would I? It might be, but i i if it's not, it's tojoe that's gonna be my wrestling then when I grow up. Um so it can't be something you know I know nothing about because then I I can't work out whether that's right or not. Right, okay, I'll go first. In fact, no, but we we could have a quick pause and you have to explain it within like two seconds, and if you can't, it's like eh, you're right. Well, I did explain it. He was a wrestler. Yeah, okay, but I've got no way of validating that, have I? Well, yeah, you could you could Google it if you wanted. Look, it's word association. Let's make it really easy. Let's make it easy. What's the audience? Do they know who hacks or Jim Duggan is? Let us know in the comments. Anyway, right. You you start because this this seems to be like this is painful. Tree. Bark Dog. Cat Mouse

33:59Sandwich. Toast butter. Margarine. Bart Simpson. Marge Pause. Pause. Pause, pause, pause.

34:13Yeah, come on.

34:15Margarine. Bart Simpson. Yeah, Marge. That's I'm a pulling short there. Sorry, you'd got bonked. On the ad. Oh. You'd have got bonked on the ad then. I didn't think I would have then. I think you would have done. Oh, okay. I think that's too that's too. I did start you off with a nice easy one with treadle. You know, not like you're like, alright. So I'll I'll I'll start you on. I'll I'll Right, we'll we'll do one more. We'll do one more to finish, right? Right, okay. He's thinking. Thinking. It's not hard, is it? I was just thinking of something, you know, something interesting. Cactus

34:50plant. Desert.

34:56Explain that. That's a plant.

34:59And you can get plants in the desert. And they're cactuses.

35:02Is that not double Is that not like what other plants can you get in the desert? Alright, I suppose. Well, creosote plants you can get in the desert as well. Anyway, okay, I like you have that. I like that. Right, it's one all. I think I got bogged. Um bogged on a cactus.

35:27Um okay, decider. Okay. Go for a decider. Your word. Off you go. Car. Wheel. Wagon. Chocolate. Jam. Marshmallow. Smo. What is that one in this world? Pop tarts. Explain. You can get s small pop tarts. Oh, can you? Yeah. Okay. Cereal. Breakfast bar.

36:07Oh yes.

36:08With a with a breakfast bar. I should have gone kitchen.